Origins and the Gospel (Creation Magazine LIVE! 8-02)

Genesis is the foundation for the Gospel,
the creation account is supported by mountains of scientific evidence, and we’ll tell you
about it. This week were continuing to outline the importance of Genesis to Christianity, on Creation Magazine LIVE! Welcome to Creation Magazine LIVE, I’m Thomas
Bailey …and I’m Richard Fangrad Last week we explained why the creation/evolution
debate is not a debate between science and religion; rather it’s a battle between two
different beliefs about history, two different versions about what happened in the past to
get us all here today. But we can take that a step further not only
do science and the Bible not contradict each other, modern science has a biblical basis. In other words doing science consistently
requires the universe to have the features described in Scripture. Of course, that’s not what atheists think
obviously. Atheist blogger PZ Meyers said that, “Science
and religion are incompatible. Simply completely, irreconcilably incompatible.” I wonder what he thinks was going on in the
heads of the founders of modern science, because they didn’t think that. Many branches of science were founded by people
who believed in creation. You can see a small sample here. There are some famous names in the fields
of Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Geology, Astronomy, Mathematics and others. There are underlying assumptions required
in order to do science consistently. For example, that the universe is real. That might sound silly, but some religions
believe that the universe is an illusion; that its just a ‘big thought’. The universe is real, because the Bible makes
it clear that God, who is spirit, created a physical heavens and the earth. You also have to believe that the universe
is orderly, not random or chaotic. If the universe is a great “Thought”, well,
then it might change its mind at any moment. Or if Zeus and his gang were in charge, or
if there are gods constantly warring among themselves, there would be no basis for the
assumption that their universe is orderly. Hebrews 13:8 describes God as, “the same yesterday,
today and forever”. That’s a good basis for the assumption that
the universe He created will operate according to fixed laws that He put in place, that don’t
change. Assuming the physical universe exists, and
is ordered, the next assumption is that the universe is ordered in such a way that it
can be understood by humans through investigation and experimentation. If the universe just popped into existence
all by itself, on what basis could we expect it to be ordered? And ordered in such a way that humans can
perceive the order? It’s another assumption you have to make in
order to do science. Historians of science point out that modern
science first flourished under a Christian worldview while it was stillborn in other
cultures like in ancient Greece, China and Arabia. Evolutionary anthropologist and science writer
Loren Eiseley stated, “The philosophy of experimental science … began its discoveries and made
use of its methods in the faith, not the knowledge, that it was dealing with a rational universe
controlled by a creator who did not act upon whim nor interfere with the forces He had
set in operation… It is surely one of the curious paradoxes
of history that science, which professionally has little to do with faith, owes its origins
to an act of faith that the universe can be rationally interpreted, and that science today
is sustained by that assumption.” So, here’s an evolutionist who recognizes
the biblical basis for modern science. No, science does not contradict Christianity. Christianity and science are actually closely
linked. Last week we also mentioned the biblical teaching
that there was no death before sin, and how critical that is to the Gospel. Physical death was first introduced into the
world that God described as ‘very good’, as a result of Adam’s sin. There’s a link between sin and death that
was established at the time of the very first sin. Then we asked the question, where do the fossils
fit into biblical history? Fossils are obviously dead things, so the
fossil record must have been established after sin, but the history most often applied to
them says they were laid down slowly over millions of years. If that’s true, then this is the picture that
results, because Eden was just a few thousand years ago. We outlined the biblical reasons, and some
scientific ones, why that doesn’t work. Death before sin actually destroys the theology
of Christianity. And we’re going to add some details on that
important subject after a short break. Is the human genome full of parasites? This might seem like a ridiculous question,
but some researchers suggest that it is. The human genome project revealed a large
number of transposable elements. These DNA segments copy themselves and move
around the genome. Some scientists claim they serve no function
and have dismissed them as parasitic DNA. Some evolutionary scientists claim that similarities
with chimps in these supposedly useless bits prove evolution. But new research shows they have functions. One study revealed that transposable elements
activate during embryo development in mice, to control gene expression. Another study revealed they activate in gene
dense regions to control gene expression. They are not spread randomly throughout the
genome as previously thought. So DNA isn’t full of parasites at all, but
rather many sophisticated ways to control gene expression. To find out more from Creation Ministries
International visit our website Welcome back, we’re just adding some details
to a vital biblical truth: that there was no death before sin. Most Christians are aware of this basic Gospel
truth: Jesus died to pay for sins. Physical death is the penalty for sin. Romans 5 says that sin came into the world
through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned. When Adam sinned, God said in Genesis 3:19
that he would return to dust; he would die physically. Beginning at verse 17 we read that God cursed
the ground so that it produced thorns and thistles and would now require “the sweat
of your face” it would require hard work to get food from the ground. Consider thorns. Since there are fossil thorns they couldn’t
have been fossilized before sin, right? But the evolutionary history places them at
hundreds of millions of years before any human being. That’s backwards. In addition, Romans 8:19-20 tells us the whole
creation, in other words, the entire physical creation, groans under the weight of sin. That means animals were affected. Genesis 1:29-30 reveals that initially, both
people and animals ate plants. This is consistent with the ‘no death before
sin’ principle. There was no death of nephesh chayyah creatures,
which includes both people and animals, before sin. Nephesh chayyah is Hebrew for ‘living being’
or ‘living soul’. We see it where God breathes into Adam Gen.
2:7 and he becomes a nephesh chayyah. The same term is used in 1 Cor. 15:45, again
to describe Adam. Here are several places where it is used in
Genesis. Note that animals in the sea and on land are
described with the same term; they have this level of “life”, but plants are not included. In the Bible, plants ‘wither and fade’; they
don’t really die because they’re not really ‘alive’ in the nephesh sense. Other passages also shed valuable light on
how the Bible defines ‘life’. Leviticus 17:11 states: “For the life of the
flesh is in the blood” (also mentioned in Deuteronomy 12:23 and Genesis 9:4). The word translated ‘life’ here is nephesh. This links life with the presence of blood. Blood is an indicator of life, in the nephesh
sense, and this logically connects with the way in which blood had to be shed for the
forgiveness of sins. Death is the penalty for sin, so something
has to die in order to atone for people’s sin. Before Christ, God allowed that animals, specifically
certain mammals and birds, could die, or shed their blood, as a sacrifice for sin. Now, this covered sin only on a limited and
temporary basis. Only the blood of the Messiah shed on the
Cross could actually take away sin, as explained in Hebrews 9 and 10. One of the reasons that Cain’s sacrifice of
plants wasn’t accepted is because that’s something without blood, it’s not alive in the ‘nephesh’
sense, and so couldn’t die as a substitute for human sin. All that to say that a biblically consistent
picture of the world God describes as ‘very good’ before Adam sinned could not have included
animals ripping each other up, poisonous fangs, etc. In other words, no carnivorous activity, no
death of nephesh creatures, including both animals and people, before Adam sinned. But plants, insects, the billions of bacteria,
for example, that die in the process of digesting your food, those are not included in the ‘no
death before sin’ principle. Putting it all together, if there was death
of nephesh creatures happening for millions of years before the Fall, as evolutionary
history says there was, then death is not the result of sin, it has nothing to do with
sin, and therefore, Jesus’ death did not pay for sins. We’ve got an either/or situation here. Either the fossil record took millions of
years to form or Christianity. Now, for those of you who are freaking out
about having to abandon the millions of years history, thinking that it is a proven scientific
fact, we’re going to show you the solution next week and the week after. But before we move on, we’ve been talking
about death. All of us sin and the Bible says because of
that, we will die and face judgement by a holy God. Everyone fails to meet God’s perfect standard. No one gets into heaven through their own
goodness because no one is as good as God. So how does anyone get to heaven? By belief and repentance. The Bible tells us, if you confess with your
mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you
will be saved. You need to believe that his death and resurrection,
not your own works, are the basis for the forgiveness of your sins, and the repentance
part is making Him lord over your life. Repentance means turning away from a lifestyle
of sin and following your own opinion, and turning toward a lifestyle of placing the
truths about God above your own ideas. He’s Lord, so that makes us the servants. That’s not too hard to grasp is it? Turn to Christ! 2 Corinthians 5:21 gives us a glimpse of some
of the details. “For our sake he made him to be sin who knew
no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” He made Him, God the Father made God the Son,
that’s Jesus, to be sin who knew no sin. Jesus committed no sins of his own, yet God
transfers sins to Him, and transfers Jesus’ sinless life to us. That’s how all those who believe get into
Heaven. Christ pays for our sins in our place so that
we don’t have to! And His righteousness is imputed to us. There’s an exchange, a double transfer. Do you believe that? We hope you do! It’s the most important truth that everyone
should consider. Jesus invites you to trust Him. But all of that falls to pieces if there was
death before sin. And as we said last week, this is not a side
issue! Theologically, what you believe about creation/evolution
and the age of the earth impacts the main teaching of Christianity. That’s why you need to tune in to next week’s
episode and the next one as we add more details. And we’ll be right back. Creation Ministries International edifies
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with CMI. Donate today at On this week’s episode we are talking about
the relevance of the origins issue. We just mentioned how one’s understanding
of the fossil record impacts the Gospel. We could make a distinction here that this
may not be a salvation issue, but it is a Gospel issue. How we understand Genesis, the age of the
earth, and the origins debate dramatically impacts the Gospel, because the Gospel begins
in Genesis. Right. But there are people who are truly Christians
but believe in evolution and millions of years. It’s hugely inconsistent, but having a biblical
view of creation is not a requirement for coming to Christ. New Christians often have many areas of inconsistency,
things they don’t fully understand but that doesn’t mean they’re not Christians. Here’s the key to not only making sense of
the origins issue, but in developing and living a consistent Christian worldview, glorifying
God and enjoying Him forever, the key is: put God’s Word first. Hold your own personal views on any topic
loosely. Be ready to drop them immediately when you
encounter something in God’s Word that contradicts what you think. It’s about biblical authority, a high view
of Scripture. The great English preacher Dr Martin Lloyd-Jones,
made this astounding comment about the authority of the Bible, “There can be no doubt whatsoever
that all the troubles in the church today, and most of the troubles in the world, are
due to a departure from the authority of the Bible.” Just let that sink in for a minute. All the troubles in the church, and most of
the troubles in the world result from a lack of putting God’s Word first. Wow. The Reformation in the 1500’s was all about
the massive impact that a return to biblical authority had on the church. It was Scripture that reformed the church. People often want to attack the messenger. We get that too at CMI. Attack Martin Luther, attack John Calvin. The Roman church, which was so tangled up
with the political powers at that time, brutally attacked and killed many people who held to
the view that Scripture, not church councils and not the Pope, Scripture is the highest
authority. To some extent, that’s still true today isn’t
it? In some countries, Christians are being executed,
but even in most western nations, if you take a stand for biblical truth, you’ll be ridiculed. A side effect of the Reformation is the profound
effect it had on science. Stephen Snobelen, Assistant Professor of History
of Science and Technology, University of King’s College, Halifax, Canada, calls it a paradox. He also explains the somewhat misleading term
“literal interpretation”. He writes, “Here is a final paradox. Recent work on early modern science has demonstrated
a direct (and positive) relationship between the resurgence of the Hebraic, literal exegesis
of the Bible in the Protestant Reformation, and the rise of the empirical method in modern
science. I’m not referring to wooden literalism, but
the sophisticated literal-historical hermeneutics that Martin Luther and others (including Newton)
championed.” And he goes on to explain the link. It’s because scientists started to study nature
in the same way they studied the Bible. The idea with Scripture was, “just let the
Bible speak”, don’t impose allegory or metaphor on the text, just take it straightforwardly. He writes, “It was, in part, when this method
was transferred to science, when students of nature moved on from studying nature as
symbols, allegories and metaphors to observing nature directly in an inductive and empirical
way, that modern science was born. In this, Newton also played a pivotal role. As strange as it may sound, science will forever
be in the debt of … biblical literalists.” So, even non-Christian historians of science
recognize the value that taking the Bible as it’s written, in other words literally,
has had on science. And if you take it as it’s written, if you
take it literally, in the proper grammatical-historical sense you get a recent creation, with no death
before sin, and a global flood. That’s right. And we’ll be back with more in just a minute. In 1923, American Microscopist, Theophilus
Painter, announced to the world that humans had 48 chromosomes. This number was repeated like a mantra for
several decades until plant cytologist, Albert Levan, announced in 1956 that it was wrong. The actual number is 46. The wrong information, repeated frequently
enough often becomes accepted as fact. This is known as reinforcement syndrome. Many eminent scientists accepted that humans
had 48 chromosomes, even if their microscopes said otherwise. The same thing has happened with the supposed
extinction of dinosaurs 65-million years ago. Much evidence suggests it’s wrong, like historical
accounts of dragons that sound like dinosaurs and the existence of blood cells and protein
in dinosaur fossils. However, the notion that dinosaurs died out
65-million years ago has become very hard to dislodge. This is another example of reinforcement syndrome. To find out more from Creation Ministries
International visit our website Our subject this week is the importance of
the creation/evolution debate. Another aspect of the origins debate is how
beliefs about where we came from impact morality. Think about it, if you believe you evolved
from pond scum, rather than having been created in God’s image, it’s gonna impact how you
feel about yourself and many other things. Evolutionist Dr William Provine put it this
way, “Let me summarize my views on what modern evolutionary biology tells us loud and clear… There are no gods, no purposeful forces of
any kind, no life after death. When I die, I am absolutely certain that I
am going to be completely dead. That’s just all-that’s gonna be the end of
me. There is no ultimate foundation for ethics,
no ultimate meaning in life” Yikes! Exactly. And what sort of morality can it lead to? Well, here’s an extreme example, but it’s
consistent with a ‘no God’ version of origins like Dr Provine just described. Jeffery Dahmer was a serial killer in the
90’s. He killed a bunch of people, some of them
he cut them up and ate them and other things. He was interviewed while in prison not long
before he himself was killed, and it’s clear that he began to recognize the link, the connection
between evolution, between what we believe about where we came from; in his case, he
believed evolution and the link to the terrible things that he did. In the interview he had this to say, “If a
person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of
trying to modify your behaviour to keep it within acceptable ranges? That’s how I thought anyway…I always believed
…the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime., and when
we died, you know, that was it, nothing…” If we are not made in the image of God, but
evolved over millions of years, then there’s no ultimate right and wrong. It’s all just opinion. It’s amazing the atrocities that an evolutionary,
atheistic society produces. Despite what you may have heard, Theistic
religions account for only about 7% of all wars. And that percentage drops to 3% if Islam is
removed. Many more people were killed in the past 100
years, most by their own governments, than in all religious conflicts, ever. And this slaughter happened because of philosophies
openly hostile to biblical Christianity, and flowing directly from evolutionary belief. For example, Nazism openly proclaimed its
dependence on Darwin. It was right and moral for the strongest race
to survive; The strong wipes out the weak, that law of the jungle to have pity for the
weak was to defy nature’s laws. Communism also took evolution to its logical
conclusion. If everything just evolved from ‘natural law,’
then man’s opinion, not God’s Word, determines what’s right and wrong. If the working class can take power by armed
struggle, then this is ‘right,’ regardless of how many must die to bring about that socialist
paradise. Communism’s death toll far outranks the Nazis’,
probably more than 90 million worldwide. Thankfully, humans were made by a loving God
to have fellowship with Him! What a difference that makes! Right and wrong is ultimately determined by
God, not the government. The government can make things legal or illegal,
but just because something is legal doesn’t always mean that it’s right. For example, killing pre-born children is
still murder even though it may be legal. So, the creation/evolution issue is not just
about origins; it’s the key to which source of authority will be seen as foundational
in human affairs. God, through His revealed Word, or man’s opinion. And creation is so obvious. The earth was designed for life. It orbits the sun at just the right distance,
in the ‘Goldilocks zone’ where liquid water can exist. The earth’s gravity, axial tilt, rotation
period, magnetic field, crust thickness, oxygen/nitrogen ratio, carbon dioxide, water vapour and ozone
levels, they’re all just right. Change them slightly and life wouldn’t be
possible. And our sun is just the right colour. If it was redder or bluer, photosynthetic
response would be weaker. Our moon is large enough and close enough
to partially protect the earth from meteorites, comets and asteroids. Every crater on the moon’s surface represents
an object which might otherwise have impacted the earth. The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. For many years, they’ve been scanning the
heavens with radio telescopes hoping to discover a signal containing coded information, which
then means there’s something intelligent that made it. They haven’t found any. But if you go the other direction, not telescopes,
but microscopes, there are huge amounts of coded information in the DNA of living things! Yeah, but evolutionist’s logic breaks down
there: DNA’s supposed to be the result of mindless random processes, not an intelligent
designer. Denial! It’s not just a river in Egypt anymore, right? Look, there are companies working toward a
method of storing data in the nucleotide bases of DNA. If that works that will be the highest-density
storage scheme ever invented. Follow the logic here: DNA stores information,
information comes from intelligence, God created the universe and life. The end. The evidence for creation is all around us. And we’ll continue with some more when we
get back. The reason that The Creation Answers Book
is so popular is because covers a huge range of topics and answers more than 60 of the
most asked questions about Genesis and the creation evolution issue. Questions like: What is the evidence for God
existence? Could the days in Genesis 1 be long period
of time? How did all the animals fit on Noah’s Ark? Does radioisotope dating prove that that earth
is very old? Where did Cain get his wife? Where do dinosaurs fit into the Bible? …and
many more. To order your copy visit We were just mentioning some of the evidences
for creation. Consider that the universe is something, right? A very big something. Science says that something cannot come from
nothing. Therefore, something has to be eternal. Right. But the physical, matter/energy universe that
we’re in can’t be eternal because if it was, according to the law of decay, the universe
would already have reached maximum decay. But it hasn’t. And the solution is? Something that’s not physical, that’s not
made of matter or energy, and therefore isn’t subject to the law of decay, must be eternal,
and be capable of producing the universe. And the biblical Creator God is spirit, not
made of matter or energy! Whoo hooo. I love being a Christian! The laws of physics confirm the biblical God! It makes so much sense! It does! Christianity is a faith, yes, but it’s a reasonable
and logical faith, not an irrational or blind faith. The teachings of Christianity, arise from
actual historical events: a creation that was originally ‘very good’; a real historical
Adam and Eve who actually sinned at a point in history about 6000 years ago; a real historical
world-wide flood about 4400 years ago; and the real historical event of God taking on
a real human body about 2000 years ago, living a sinless life, dying on a real wooden cross
and then actually physically coming back to life. A student wrote this, “I have been so immensely
blessed by you all. You have helped me dispel some major lies
of the enemy and teach my children the pitfalls in evolution. My faith is more sound and secure in Jesus
because he uses you in such a mighty way…” Wonderful! Isn’t it humbling to get this kind of feedback
and know that God is using the faith-building information that we summarize to change lives? It really is, and we saw the change earlier
in Jeffrey Dahmer’s life. He actually became a Christian after he got
hold of some creation material, realized there is a God, and heard the Gospel and became
a believer. What a testimony! It’s amazing. It really is! And we should emphasize that we’re just summarizing. To get the details you really need to visit See you next week, and remember, Christianity
is an evidence-based faith. And science supports Scripture.


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