Okja | Understanding the (Im)Morality of Animal Consumption December 27, 2019 Tags:Analysis, analyzed, Animal consumption, carnism, eat pigs, Emily the cow, ethics, explained, Joon-Ho Bong, Melanie Joy, Okja, true story, vegan, Veganism, vegetarian, Vegetarianism, video essay, wear cows, why we love dogs Related Posts Types of People on Their Birthdays Single dad gets new home to habitat for humanity IARPA SAILS and TrojAI Proposers’ Day About The Author Hubert Monson 100 Comments Like Stories of Old I actually wrote my dissertation on the ideological nature of animal consumption and the subpolitics of veganism so I've been wanting to talk about this topic for quite some time. I think Okja was an important film in bringing some of these issues to light and even though there was a lot more to talk about such as the internal struggles of the animal rights movement and the larger role of the capitalist system (I will address those topics and more in the annotated video) I wanted to focus on the issue of carnism because that I think that is a subject a lot of people are still unfamiliar with. As always, I hope it brings some enlightenment and I look forward to discussing it. Also, are there any movies/shows/subjects you'd like to see me do a video on? I'd love to hear your suggestions! August 4, 2017 Reply Mai Mayer The pig with it's leg broken brokemy heart, like really it hurt my heart. Really bad ?? January 28, 2018 Reply Mario Arias Amazing video dude ! February 4, 2018 Reply Viktória Nagy I literally cried through the whole analysis.:( I'm not a vegan or a vegetarian, but I try to reduce eating meat as much as possible. Maybe fewer animals are killed… February 11, 2018 Reply Miss Heathen Finally. Someone who acknowledges carnism coherently and approaches veganism with sincerity. February 15, 2018 Reply Judine Brown There is no such thing as humane mass killings of animals. At several points along the process of raising, transporting and slaughter, animals are abused and terrorized, and a significant number are injured during various stages. If slaughterhouses had large windows, we'd all become vegetarians. And we'd become healthier in the process. I know a huge number of people who have suffered serious digestive issues. Every single one of them has improved greatly since dramatically reducing their meat consumption or eliminating meat totally from their diets. Sounds like a no brainer to me. February 20, 2018 Reply Francisco Betancourt To find out you’re a vegan makes me like this channel even more February 28, 2018 Reply PoetryPickle Its the most underrated channel on youtube… love all you thoughts n work…. may you be famous March 1, 2018 Reply Melanie Willard That pig looks like the wish dragon. March 1, 2018 Reply Melanie Willard True veganism is unsustainable. A true vegan will never patronize a business that has anything to do with the harm of any animal, ever. THAT means you can't go into a grocery store. You can't go into a feed store that sells feed to farmers who grow animals for food. You could grow ALL your own food from seeds, but you can't buy seeds because the seller supports farmers who slaughter animals. You can't buy clothing made from animal products, and you can't buy from sellers who sell animal products. Completely unsustainable. In the real world. March 1, 2018 Reply Alrick Rock https://youtu.be/7CfqfqwCH2Q do a story on All the money on the world movie about the Getty family March 23, 2018 Reply ScreamingPanda 101 I believe that the treatment of the animals that are slaughtered is horrific but I do not think that I would stop eating meat. March 25, 2018 Reply Hallin Burgan Thank you so much for this video. This is a fantastic film and I hope it will help shed some light on the deep contradiction within our culture concerning diet and meat. I watched Okja with a couple of friends (all of whom eat meat) and it made that contradiction even more clear for me. My friends got very upset at the more disturbing scenes at the slaughterhouse and were constantly rooting for the animal activists throughout the movie. After the film was over, I was a bit confused about why the filmmaker chose the specific ending – I thought it was perhaps a bit too optimistic for its subject matter. My friends disagreed. They said that they wouldn't have liked the movie if it had a sad ending. I find this profoundly worrying. The fact my friends could get upset at the horrors of the meat industry and then immediately eat a burger afterwards or make fun of me (in a friendly way, mind you, but it can still be occasionally upsetting) for transitioning from being vegetarian to vegan speaks volumes for how good we have gotten as a culture at ignoring things we would rather not see. The redemption in Okja (however small a victory it is) offers the viewers a conclusion that is far from realistic, as there is little hope waiting the animals in the real slaughterhouses. I hope we can see this more clearly as time goes on. Once again, a great video for a great film. Thanks. April 4, 2018 Reply META MorФoza DOX SEXPEN brilliant flik <3 <3 <3 <3 April 20, 2018 Reply S Tho Nicely phrased, but there will come unintended consequences of the Goodall approach that may be overlooked in these discussions. If a regional culture, say Brazil/Argentina or the US/Canada just picked a year of 2019 to reduce meat purchases toward zero, the market will adapt and respond:Farm raised meat animals will all have to be destroyed, as the market will have evaporated. They will be destroyed and disposed of in a horrific manner. Pet animals will either have to be destroyed or will have to be converted to false meat diets, with growing health problems by the third generation. If eating meat is an ethical choice for omnivores like us, keeping carnivores for companionship is decadent and simply violates your ethical maxim by one mouth. We must eventually remove the carnivores from our midst and relegate their unnatural species to the ever shrinking wilderness, that itself will have horrific results, such as wild pigs today. Vegetable prices will triple as there would be a four to five year shortage. Fodder vegetables will eventually be introduced a for human consumption but will have to be certified safe and heavily processed to achieve taste. There will be health impacts. Such as the high fructose corn sugar craze of the ADM movement in the 90s. Artificial vitamins and two protein strands will have to be ingested to achieve this synthetic world. Typically processed from lower animal forms that people don't recognize as animals. So, in a physical world that consumes carbon and sugars in the form of carbohydrates, proteins and fats; one should well consider the repercussions of the unnatural world that would result. April 22, 2018 Reply Sound Logic Killing animals for ANY OTHER reason than survival is objectively unethical. End of stort. May 8, 2018 Reply Zabet Janse van Noordwyk Your videos are brilliant!(So glad you're vegan) May 9, 2018 Reply Nate Mitten If you actually care,act like it. Folks in the comments saying eating meat isn't bad or that it's not unnatural are wrong. We aren't wolfs,we have the means and ability to make more conscious choices so if you still choose to consume such things it's based on desire,not need. Stop BSing yourself. So many want to change the world but aren't even willing to change their diet. Live like you care,not just give lip service. May 11, 2018 Reply Kaebyn Quintero I am proud to say I am vegiterian I am working on trying to become vegan but I get most of my protein from eggs May 13, 2018 Reply Franz Ferdinand I love your videos but Carnism is not real, that shit is nonsense. There is no ideology behind eating meat, we are animals, animals eat other animals, a Wolf does not follow an ideology when eating a sheep it does it because thats what it does. It is only an ideology if you step out of the natural/ordinary, like if you counsciously decide not to eat other animals anymore because you think their life has value. Carnism is just vegan propaganda. May 17, 2018 Reply Odisséia Evolutiva LSOO, you are BRILLIANT. May 19, 2018 Reply Stephen Marler Just don’t try to make your dogs or cats go vegan. A strictly vegan diet will slowly kill all cats and most dogs. May 21, 2018 Reply Jacob Duncan Wow. May 27, 2018 Reply M. Black Been thinking about this subject a lot lately. Also, since watching the film, I can't get the skeletal/vampiric look of the Mirandos out of my head. I wonder if they were depicted that way intentionally or if it's just the incidental way that I perceived them. June 9, 2018 Reply Maui Caui 1:50, a cute dog gets a taste of his medicine. June 18, 2018 Reply Mr. Nobody Graciaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas. Bello trabajo June 21, 2018 Reply Brian J Malmsteen I don’t think people who eat meat appreciate animals as much as they should. Society have made them a product instead of the sentient being they truly are. We’ve learned how to get protein from other sources now. Stop eating animals, lower cholesterol, cancer, and obesity. Let this archaic habit die instead of animals. June 23, 2018 Reply Fred Raybould This film reinforced why I chose not to eat living beings. July 2, 2018 Reply Mr Jenkins My great-grandfather was a farmer and rancher who raised pigs, chickens, cows, hunted, and fished. These things were passed down to me through my grandfather and father. What was also passed down was a respect for animals and for nature, and an understanding that we live in a state of competitive cooperation with all living things. To live a vegan or vegetarian diet still requires the killing of animals. Land must be used for farming instead of left untouched. Mammals, insects, and birds that eat crops must be killed or displaced. It isn't wrong to kill, why we kill and how we treat animals before that moment do matter though. July 23, 2018 Reply Angelo Suca En realidad yo no hablo inglés. Pero ví la película y a mi parecer ví como la humanidad hace todo por dinero. Por mantenerse vivo, matando animales. August 16, 2018 Reply Cristian Moya Romero But plants and microorganisms are alive too, and you eat plants and soap that kills these creatures. What will happen when machines turn self aware? Will you rally for their alleged right to not be treated as propriety? Will you fight for the prohibition of turning them off? Is suffering the issue? I don't understand, and the fact that someone tries to make me ignore my instincts really pisses me off. I'm a dwarf and I can tell you that human life is far from sacred, unless you argue that I'm not human for being a dwarf, because I've been treated like shit my entire life and no one seem to care. The most compassionate words I've received are "that's how life is" or "that will make you tough to resist life" so when I hear people peeing themselves about animal suffering it really drives me insame, it's so hypocritical, the vegetarians usually treat better animals than humans because animals can't disagree with you, and they can't withstand criticism, they're like children August 17, 2018 Reply oscuradiosa Just starting the Atkins diet gah cannot get enough meat thank you for making more meat available for us <3 August 21, 2018 Reply DISTurbedwaffle918 The term "Carnism" is such a BS play by manipulative corporate villains to trick gullible masses into weakening their bodies by nutritional deprivation. That said, factory farming is a disgusting practice that defies man's role as stewards of this world, and needs to be ended, and replaced with traditional farming. August 28, 2018 Reply Chiemezie Ejiugwu Who are you? August 31, 2018 Reply Prince Solomon We are part of nature, consuming life forms (whether plants or animals) is an essential part of it. It's not about what we consume, but more about how reasonable and responsible we consume stuff. To say a plant is worthless enough as a life form so that we can morally justified consume it but an animal isn't is simply hypocritical. September 2, 2018 Reply Sayak Choudhury As an Indian where traditional practices often dictate strict vegetarianism, I think everything depends on the culture. Like in west beef is a valued meat but in most of India it’s a tabu, as is dog meat in most of world but it’s a delicacy in Yulin, China. I think Okja’s main criticism is for giant corporate meat industry and not an advocacy for veganism. September 13, 2018 Reply Howard Fass Meat is killing and is murder… no way around it… September 16, 2018 Reply Captain Taco Sauce Middle ground is reform to humanly produce meat on a corporate level. Doesnt seem present in smaller farms. Instead of treating every person who eats animal products as villians they'd easily gain more traction. If I google early human diets and see they ate meat then have a vegan misinform people. Heard of the argument that since we evolved from apes they eat a green heavy diet and so should we is crap since they have a longer digestive tract than us built for that diet. Regardless if anything is to get done then it'll have to be gradual since people dont take up new ideas so readily September 21, 2018 Reply cindy chan it's sad and terrifying what we do to animals. there is so much choice now to not eat meat. The book Eating Animals by jonathan safran foer shocked me and moved me to tears. i can't bear to watch animal cruelty – but i know it happens on a massive scale. September 24, 2018 Reply woodelf71 you're an angel in disguise, I knew it 😉 September 30, 2018 Reply Dimitris Dama SOOOOO far from what the movie really is about….the movie is not about eating meat….Mija eats chicken soup and fish…..What it promotes is avoiding the extremes..The exploitation of animal of such degree that its torture..Activist pacifists that in reality are violent and lie shoving their beliefs on others throat ….Capitalists that corrupt everything and have no morals…WHAT the movie is really about ….is BALANCE…..BALANCE IS THE KEY October 2, 2018 Reply skylarwatches yt Okja is why I'm vegetarian October 13, 2018 Reply MartinSatyen Stunning review. Bravo sir! I like many others are now awakening – from our hypnotized mass and individual coma – to this horror.I went vegan 1 week ago after watching a documentary on factory farming.No going back.Peace – to ALL sentient beings October 24, 2018 Reply Leovar101 I find this to be a nice video, as always.But to be honest, I would say that you oversimplified a lot. Given the subject that seems natural, but reducing the whole issue down to market and ideology, I don't know. There is so much more to how and why we consume and produce meat, and what role it has in our society. Considering that you wrote your dissertation on the subject, I assume that you have a much more nuanced insight, but this really left not much room to discuss, I think. October 29, 2018 Reply Overlorb After watching this, I have been transitioning to veganism. November 3, 2018 Reply Raurie Sime Not going to lie that was a bit hard to watch. Reminds me of how i'm going to have to find someone to buy meat from when i move. it's easier in the country but when you're going to move to a big city it becomes much harder. I don't believe i could go without meat, it's a great deal of work and some plant replacements are hard to get. I do however wish to eat and buy meat form people who treat the animals with respect. November 21, 2018 Reply therealDale Omnivorism. November 29, 2018 Reply I S A Y Some people would do for money December 2, 2018 Reply rasul muhamend This fucked me up December 10, 2018 Reply UG visual flow - Surya deva Thank you My friend December 18, 2018 Reply Colleen New Holy I'd like to also add, that there is classicism involving the division between Vegans, and non vegans.I come from a background, where it is nigh impossible to maintain our own food sources (Pine Ridge Reservation is my home base)There are plenty of us who would wish to have a more natural diet. But do to the current system, that is nearly impossible.Thusly, my people get criticized for consuming meat. Meat that many of my fellow Tribal people, have to hunt ourselves. When you live in an area that does not allow farming in any capacity, you have to live by your means.Meat and old practices of gathering nuts, frut and other vegetables are the go to. Critizicing those who cannot feasibly eat vegan is not the way to go. Please. Remember that there are those who cannot live the lifestyle due to money or ecological resources December 26, 2018 Reply Karina Bešenejová Go Vegan ? January 9, 2019 Reply I O am becoming vegan (again) after watching this January 21, 2019 Reply Ellie Par I’m vegetarian now January 22, 2019 Reply Steve Deasy I have been so impressed by your thoughtful analysis of so many movies revealing a deep thinking man. I don't think you have put such a deep thinking effort into this presentation. Your initial argument that eating meat is not necessary is just not true for many of us. I was a vegetarian and vegan for 20+ years. During this time I had an alternative healthcare provider that was very concerned about me and my choice to be vegetarian. He gave me advice on how to try to get the right amount and types of protein into me. He had the ability to test me and saw that I could not get enough protein into me. He mentioned that my blood type was such that most people that are O blood type need to eat meat – particularly fish. I moved to another community farther away and got a new alternative health care provider. She also tested my blood and found that I could not get enough protein in me. She recommended for many of her patients and too many on her speaking engagements to become vegetarian and vegan. She recommended for me to eat mostly meat, leaves, vegetables and fruit. I can eat carbohydrates but it's best if any seeds are sprouted. Same with nuts. That had been part of my routine as a vegetarian anyway. My health declined to such a state that even though I was taking 40 to 50 supplements and eating a very specific food regimen I was going into multiple system decline in my early 50s. For a year this naturopath recommended I eat meat and I also intuitively was hearing I needed to eat meat, but my moral belief structure had me sticking to vegetarianism. My own personal feelings of interconnectedness that I gained from being a vegetarian and vegan allowed me to also feel that interconnectedness and life force with plants – and more. I felt the life force in plants as I consumed them. I have grown my own food for years and have made personal connections the plants I have had to kill. I thank them for the life force they give me. As "Radar" from the MASH TV series used to say, "Animals are people too". Well I think that plants are people too. I have found that lifeforce pervades all. Recognition of my consumption of all resources brings me into balance. Rocks are alive. The air is alive. The ground under my feet is alive. Please take care if you choose to have strong positions to defend. Witness your own past and how you have changed your beliefs on many things. Give yourself room to change your beliefs in the future. My health has improved significantly after I began eating mostly meat, leaves, fruit, and vegetables. I will probably get to live another 10 to 15 years with my various health issues. Having this much available protein allows my body to heal all the numerous complications that manifest from a life well-lived. Please don't fault me for eating meat now. I give grateful thanks to Consciousness for all that it gives to me. I offer back my life. I climb to the Pinnacle of the iceberg of Consciousness which gives me vast vistas over the seas of unconsciousness. Again blessings for the wonderful insights that you provide to us. I wish you well in your future work. March 1, 2019 Reply peter dollins This is great. Best. The Director needs to think of taking his other footage of slaughterhouses–plus more footage–to turn into another film with inserts from Okja. Clearly it will take more than only this film to turn the sadists (unconscious, usually though…) around. March 7, 2019 Reply . We have to put a stop to this…. Poor pigs March 10, 2019 Reply Nigel Watson The cosmic truth is that there is no – as in, zero – difference between human life and any other kind of life. Is a cow or pig any less worthy of being allowed to live out its natural days as intended because, try as it might, it could never produce a single line of Shakespeare? Sovereign means just that: the cosmic right to be let alone, save only for one's own interference in the natural (as opposed to myriad facocta manipulatory man-made laws)l rights of others. This does not mean one must wear sackcloth and ashes merely for swatting an annoying mosquito (with the unwitting clear intent of future harm to its target; in this case, a brazen and unauthorized withdrawal of sustenance). Self-defense is an equally cosmic right 😉 NjW March 18, 2019 Reply Wesam How about animals that eat other animals? should they go vegan too? should lions stop eating other animals meat? it is the cycle of life people!! and YES we should have mercy on animals, and should not killed them in a brutal way. April 1, 2019 Reply Craigs List Y’all should check out earthlings it shows how badly animals like pigs and cows get slaughtered April 16, 2019 Reply Jo Moody The only i keep hating is that you people only validate an animal if is intelligent. April 20, 2019 Reply Rian i eat meat but i do not eat it without care meaning when i do eat i thank the animal for giving their life so i can continue to live mine. April 22, 2019 Reply Aeron Evans So happy to see that the creator for my favourite channel is vegan too! please do more videos on the morality of carnism or even related topics. A great film would be Schindlers list! April 24, 2019 Reply Kabir Roy We live in a highly commercialised world. If people on earth turn vegetarians or vegans then who’s going to take care of these animals. Humans won’t as they do not provide any value or generate money to them. Then Will these animals get extinct?Though the whole population turning vegan is bizzare and seems impossible. April 25, 2019 Reply Angelica Antezana Wow…. this is some real deep stuff… I… I feel rather torn… I confess, I do eat meat. I love chicken in particular. Sometimes tuna, baloney, hot dogs, and on rare occasions I’ll eat shrimp or beef. I had never realized carnism is an ideology. This video has been a huge eye-opener. Will I stop eating meat?I honestly find that something incredibly difficult to give up entirely… I love the taste of meat as much as I love animals as living creatures. If anything, the least I can do is continue to eat meat sparingly.And what about my cat?… She only likes eating meat, specifically fish. Though she also seems to enjoy strawberry yogurt and licking bread, though I don’t know if that’s okay. I think this video has given me a better sympathy and slightly better understanding of animal lovers who choose to live as vegans. If it were my choice, I’d rather keep meat around, but on the condition that any animal that is to be eaten deserves to live their life first, hopefully a happy one, and treated with respect before and (especially) while being brought to the afterlife in the most humane way possible. Quick, painless, and peaceful, like a stairway to paradise in Heaven… Is that too much to ask? April 28, 2019 Reply Young Kim Im a vegan when i live with my girlfriend in germany. But i am a meateater when im homeless in homeless shelters in america. As of my heart's choice is to be homeless and save my money to get airplane tickets to go to her…. I have to eat the non vegan food in the homeless shelters in america. But if its my choice id rather be vegan for my girlfriend showed me true love for her and those that truly suffer. And i am non violent as well as a means of seeing my true heart that compassion and love is my true self. Im doing what my heart tells me and if that bothers you, i have suffered as any animal, and am just as comsumed as any other animal in this rat race world. But am i ashamed for who i am?? I dont know that word considering i accept myself and the world. I only accept the world to change it not as a means of stagnancy but to bring upon the means to join others who truly understand. May 9, 2019 Reply Christian Urbina To the carnists coming up with what ifs about eating animal flesh, when did you lose your morality? You have nothing, no science and no ethics for your argument. The combination of veganism, minilism will profoundly affect our society. The lack of trying is the weakness of vox populi. May 12, 2019 Reply Churn Blanston I love the irony of the intellectual debate about vegetarianism when that debate wouldn't even be possible if our ancestors didn't consume meat and grow big enough brains for us to inherit and use for such a debate. Also, we are prone to anthropomorphizing animals and their experience of "suffering". May 19, 2019 Reply Sammy Geffen Wow. I loved your channel very much before this video. But after this video I will marry your channel haha. Thank you for spreading wisdom and compassion. June 8, 2019 Reply Davy Reid No more meat for me. That's it June 24, 2019 Reply Dark Humour This film and the slaughterhouse videos/stories it inspired me to research are what made me give up meat. Approaching a year of vegetarianism…have many other diet issues but at-least THAT isn't weighing on my conscience or body. June 25, 2019 Reply Dynamite TNT And then the director went back to eating animal in his next film June 30, 2019 Reply mndfkr You are water, life is water, aware July 8, 2019 Reply Natalie Arbis i eat any meat. but not turtle and veggie i hate dogs btw August 10, 2019 Reply Natalie Arbis poor pigs. August 10, 2019 Reply Anne Phair Animal rights forever xx August 18, 2019 Reply Chris Tarzan Hayward #endspeciesism #carnismisdestroyingtheworld #roseslaw #righttorescue #vegan September 11, 2019 Reply Egardt Gerber I'd like you to contrast this with the philosophy of say, the San people in Southern Africa, who consumed animals but would pray for each one they killed, because it sustained them, when nothing else would. September 12, 2019 Reply Rebecca Atzenweiler Just saw this video now. I have been following you for a while and love your powerful message. It is important for us to see and hear these things to take empowered decision for our own sake and for the sake of everybody (animals included) around us! Thank you! September 12, 2019 Reply rosslomath It's fine to have the conversation about this, for me I won't stop eating meat as its part of our DNA and our diet requirements. But would agree we need to change the ways of production. September 18, 2019 Reply Jewel Gentry Agriculture causes 80% of tropical deforestation. Agriculture is the direct driver of roughly 80 percent of tropical deforestation, while logging is the biggest single driver of forest degradation, says a new report funded by the British and Norwegian governments.Sep 27, 2012 September 20, 2019 Reply laxmannate07 Q: How do you know if someone is a vegan? A: They tell you….. September 20, 2019 Reply The MK Connivence is just practically at a low level. Connivence is the difference between life and death. September 21, 2019 Reply Riot Breaker If you think about it, it's pretty unnatural, the panther doesn't breed its prey, the gazelle isn't grown to the point of its bones collapsing under it's own weight, animals, as much as we want them to, aren't products, you can teach a goldfish to play soccer, imagine what you can teach a cow. September 25, 2019 Reply XxXVideoVeiwerXxX I mostly only eat chicken so you know. September 25, 2019 Reply Kolin Martz In the words of my philosophy professor “it doesn’t really fucking matter in the end.” October 1, 2019 Reply ALA87 I love your channel. October 1, 2019 Reply Just_Mark I'll still eat meat October 5, 2019 Reply Dark Star King We have carnivore teeth in our mouth though…. October 5, 2019 Reply bearer After 50 years, 8 months ago I decided not to consume animals, and I am so sorry that I didn't do it sooner in my life. October 7, 2019 Reply Roof Horse 1. Be vegan only when you are already an adult. People that are still growing require meat in order to properly grow. Even when adults require balanced eating habits due to their aging bodies, meat can be lessened in that diet. Eating meat is fine, but it should never be in excess.2. DON'T make children go vegan, unless it is due to medical reasons(i.e: allergy to certain meats like chicken and such), like I said, growing people need to eat a lot properly in order to grow, meat helps in that growth. Loved this vid. Got yourself a new sub <3 October 8, 2019 Reply Kevin Desbiens This is anthropomorphism. We are projecting our morality and emotions on animals as if they were human. Logically if we perceive animals as human and we should not kill/eat humans then we should not eat animals. This is a fallacy. You let your emotions have the better of you. For the curious mind here's a research paper that link eating grains to multiple health problems.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4809873/ October 10, 2019 Reply PhoxHole117 Thank you for making this video October 11, 2019 Reply MyLostTemple Keep in mind that the director Bong Joon Ho never intended this movie to be some pretentious anti-meat, pro-vegan movie. He even said that he's not even vegan or vegetarian and this movie was suppose to be send a subtle jab at meat factories and the treatment of animals in mega farm factories. October 12, 2019 Reply 〈/sanity〉 The Sloth Relavent casting of Giancarlo Esposito given his role in breaking bad is also corporatism and profit over morality October 12, 2019 Reply Jonathan Mott Lmao just because you choose not to eat it doesn't mean it won't die… others will eat it such as myself. Guess you fools forgot it was put on this earth for us to grow so stfu get over yourselves October 20, 2019 Reply Rockun Call me ignorant or whatever you will but im pretty sure humans are natural carnivores and therefore should not have a moral issue with eating meat. The fact that something is not required for our survival does not make it unnatural, for example we would live if we drunk water once every two days, yet we do it every day. Drinking water every day is not necessary, but it is not an ideology. It is simply how humans are. Humans are carnivorous in the same way. October 27, 2019 Reply DreamWeaver Christianity is being replaced by Retardation in the West.Mother Nature is a brutal beast.Most of a cow's protein comes from the death of the micro organisms in its stomach, which is feeds grass in order to harvest them later…Go learn biology October 29, 2019 Reply Penguinstudios123 “And that is the issue of carnism” I literally screamed “THIS MAN IS A VEGAN!!!” And I love it ? December 11, 2019 Reply Mr.MakeIT I grew up on a farm and it’s painful to very much kill butcher animals December 16, 2019 Reply Add a Comment Cancel reply Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.