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September 6, 2011 Reply Alex McGilvery @bluefootedpig Or how bailing out the banks has crashed the economy, or how cutting back on the social safety net has made the economy even worse, or how protecting the rights of the wealthy will likely bring on the revolution of the hopeless proletariat that Marx predicted…. September 6, 2011 Reply NiteGeist …And does Mr. Harry Potter have his key? September 6, 2011 Reply Dr.Hush the origin of the word bug was when one of the first computers wasn't doing well so they looked inside and there was a moth. wtf is he talking about 5:10 September 6, 2011 Reply Lim kong beng eastland disater was partly poor design,overloading n poor stewarship of the crew. September 6, 2011 Reply FionnT Gaahh ,get a less sensitive mic already. September 6, 2011 Reply 6006133 Awesome. Correct use of the word hacker. Don't see that every day 🙂 September 6, 2011 Reply BrannDailor man this guy is seriously anxious on stage.. anyone else notice it? interesting talk though September 6, 2011 Reply Adam Murrain he looks like older version of alan from 2 and a half men September 6, 2011 Reply JohnJ2427 Maybe I don't get what he's saying. Is he saying that we should, for example, go around invading other countries on flimsy evidence because to heck with the consequences? September 7, 2011 Reply DanieljTAH @XxhilfmirxX A bit tense, I wouldn't say seriously anxious September 7, 2011 Reply JerryNo2006 Definitely didn't need 16 min for that. Good talk, but long for a simple message really September 7, 2011 Reply BrannDailor @DanieljTAH anxious, nervous, uneasy, tense..multiple words i could have used, but speaking in front of hundreds of people causes one if not more of them. September 7, 2011 Reply LuckyMarketGameplay @bweazel "I sure hope they didn't pay this guy." My first thoughts after his final line =p September 7, 2011 Reply TemporalOnline Maybe this talk could also have been called: "A tribute to Trial and Error". September 7, 2011 Reply mboundtogether how about, 'did i do that?' September 7, 2011 Reply AleXGT7 @bweazel Minimum wage laws are entirely subjective but the fundamental point of them is to prevent worker exploitation and for the most part succeeds in that respect. If there was no minimum wage laws and employers paid you based on you labor value (which presumably would be below todays minimum wage) do you not think that wpuld hardly help the situation they're in? For the homeless to stop being homeless and get in a better situation they need to employable and earn a living wage. September 7, 2011 Reply Scott Haselbery @bluefootedpig Valid points. But can you also come up with examples of where unintended consequence of a govt action turned out really good? September 7, 2011 Reply Eugen Afanasjev 0:15 September 7, 2011 Reply JosephOR Please could we stop thumbing up complaints of the intro, and start thumbing up comments that let us skip them, with your help: 0:15 September 7, 2011 Reply liquidminds @bweazel it's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. In fact the most valuable information is the one you disagree, as it is the only one that might change the way you think. The point i tried to make was that every talk is a connected thing. If he doesn't make a point for the first third of his talk, it's very likely that he won't make any for the rest of the video. September 7, 2011 Reply liquidminds @spikesmth As there is strong statistical evidence, that low income and poverty highly increases the chance of drug addiction, I would rather say that drugabuse is a problem that comes with poverty, not a reason for poverty. Saying drugs are the reason for poverty is like saying that buying at 1$ shops is the reason for poverty… When people feel helpless, they selfmedicate. When they feel strong, they don't. poverty -> drugs; not vice-versa. September 7, 2011 Reply rpm297 For the motherload of unintended consequences,examine the socio-economic system, at its very foundation. September 7, 2011 Reply Leonidas GGG It's kind of a long talk to tell us such a simple thing, that I believe most people know: "Everything has consequences"; and "Shit happens!" September 7, 2011 Reply DoberFrann @leonidasx666 That things happens all the time we all know, and that we have to deal with it we know too. The message however was a bit more elucidating on how this things that often have a negative impact can actually has a positive confrontation. Those quote you wrote have no positive context. September 7, 2011 Reply iWpanz omg it's ALAN HARPER FROM THE FUTURE!!!! September 7, 2011 Reply 87vortex87 It's time TED records these talks in 1080p so I can watch it on my TV or full screen on my laptop with a decent quality. September 7, 2011 Reply baillou2 @bluefootedpig As opposed to having no choice but to stay with a useless and possibly abusive husband? I think an outbreak of single mothers is actually a good thing all told. Ask my mom. September 7, 2011 Reply liquidminds @bweazel As you seem to be resistent to advice, you are obviously happy with wasting your time, but please stop bothering us with your stupid "i wasted my time"-comments, as noone is interested in them. Your comment was just plain stupid. If you're incapable of seeing that, it's your problem. But please please please save the world from your unnecessary comments and continue jerking off on your ego in silence. Thank You! September 7, 2011 Reply liquidminds @bweazel whatever dude… get over your anger issues… You obviously can't value your time a lot as you keep replying over and over again…. September 7, 2011 Reply NormanVsNorman Very interesting! September 7, 2011 Reply liquidminds @bweazel if you need 16min to figure out wether a video is interesting for you or not, don't blame me for pointing out the obvious…. In my opinion, if you are incapable of seeing that in less than 1min, you are slow. But as you are so big on "just pointing out the truth", I'm sure you understand. Wouldn't "taking insults" make me a woman? i don't get your point.. I don't really care what you think of me. Eventhough you obviously had to think about me for 16min to find out what you think…. September 7, 2011 Reply liquidminds @bweazel I know… Reading several lines of text can be tiring… I hope I didn't cause your mom to much trouble by upsetting her baby. Having to take care of overtired babies can be exhausting. September 7, 2011 Reply Arthur78 I like that he didn't linger on stage after his talk fishing for a standing ovation like most talkers seem to do. September 7, 2011 Reply liquidminds @bweazel glad you had fun. at least the vid didn't waste your time entirely in the end… and thx for making my time at work a little less boring 😉 September 7, 2011 Reply liquidminds @bweazel 11am-7pm…. quite a comfortable schedule At least in the morning 😀 September 7, 2011 Reply spikesmth @liquidminds I'm not saying you're wrong… however you can't ignore the group of people who lose their wealth over their addiction. They show it all the time on that show Intervention. Also, once someone drops into poverty, drug use decreases their capacity to work their way out again, generally speaking. September 7, 2011 Reply liquidminds @spikesmth Intervention doesn't show the people that don't have problems with drugs. Statistically speaking, there are more people having problems with legal drugs like Alcohol and medicinal drugs, than all illegal drugs combined. In my opinion, hedonistic people who struggle with controling their emotions, have a general problem of handling Stress as well as following orders, giving them a higher risk of unemployment and drugabuse at the same time. Drugs are a symptom here, not a cause. September 7, 2011 Reply nya_nya_boo @bluefootedpig Except the reason the homeless can't get jobs has to do predominantly with class issues, not minimum wage. …and yes, it has increased the number of single parents…but reduced the incidents of domestic violence. Surprise! people who have no where else to go tend to stay together even if they dislike each other, provide the option to separate and they do…and reduce the violence that would normally occur accordingly. September 7, 2011 Reply Bishwesh Joshi @BitterBurst More regions of earth, especially those farther away from the equator can have better vegetation? September 7, 2011 Reply Edgar Valenzuela "chaos happens…" in another words "shit happens…" September 7, 2011 Reply majinspy @bluefootedpig The homeless have far higher barriers to employment than a lack of a true floor of wage prices. They do not happen to be homeless. They have severe problems not remotely accounted for by your statement. September 8, 2011 Reply spikesmth @liquidminds Of course Intervention doesn't show people w/o drug problems, that's the point of the show. Most of those people have dropped in to poverty because of drugs (mostly) from often middle-class or better upbringings. The type isn't so much the issue as abuse of drugs, legal like alcohol/oxy to illegal crack/heroin. I don't reject your 'symptom' evaluation, but it is also a cause in a large proportion of cases. I see/interact with homeless daily, trust me, drugs contribute to their state September 8, 2011 Reply Judit K @BeondaPale And along the same lines the dark ages brought on the Enlightenment. What's not correct? And I really hope you don't think that there was 0 creativity and positive things for 7 centuries! 🙂 September 8, 2011 Reply liquidminds @spikesmth Of course drugs do contribute to their State. That's why all Drugs should be decriminalized and put under controlled sale, so that people with high risk of addiction have control over it. Poor people usually take drugs, to forget their probems. That usually costs all their energy and money, holding them down where they are. In my opinion, that's rather a psychological problem of feeling powerless, and less a problem of "drugs making them". They just want to numb the pain. September 8, 2011 Reply Leonidas GGG @DoberFrann Would you prefer: "Everything happens for a reason"? September 8, 2011 Reply silent4fail TURN THE VOLUME DOWN TED! September 8, 2011 Reply a575981735977018 Chaos? Well isn't that speecial. Who inspired him to this talk, who could it be? Could it be… SATAN! (snl church lady style :)) September 8, 2011 Reply Henry Jewkes The Titanic had significantly more than 837 passengers… September 8, 2011 Reply bosyeux2 @ixTITANxi not everyone on the titanic died… cuz there were lifeboats September 8, 2011 Reply bosyeux2 james burke did a much better job of making this view of history interesting in his show "connections" September 8, 2011 Reply bluefootedpig @addmoreice Well, the hole point is unintended consequences. Yes spouse abuse has gone down. But lets think about that, that could be due to 2 reasons. 1, and obvious, is that there is no spouse. It is all raised by government. Get knocked up and let the government be the father. 2, what was the trend before that happened? Was spouse abuse already heading down, i bet it was. Just like how when roe vs wade was passed, the amount of deaths by abortions was at an all time low, and was trending down September 8, 2011 Reply bluefootedpig @majinspy There are some with mental conditions, but there is research out there by various universities that shows as min wage goes up, unemployement for high school grads goes up as well. The higher your education, the less it affects it, for obvious reasons. But even if we ignored homeless, min wage also has been proven to hinder high schoolers getting jobs. When you have no skills, you cannot compete vs someone who has skills for the same job. Your only advantage is wages. September 8, 2011 Reply nya_nya_boo @bluefootedpig Yes, and that's a wonderful race to the bottom. why not advocate pushing for greater education and job training programs rather then lowering the minimum wage? it's like 'hey you have a hang nail, amputation can cure that'. September 8, 2011 Reply nya_nya_boo @bluefootedpig "It is all raised by government. " nice attempt at emotional manipulation. No they are not raised by the government, the children which ARE being raised by the government (orphanages) are being raised in underfunded programs because of this exact type of argument. "2, what was the trend before that happened" Reporting of spousal abuse was on the rise so it looked like a significant spike in abuse which makes the fact that we see a spectacular slump after even more telling. September 8, 2011 Reply nya_nya_boo @BestestMoron internet. September 8, 2011 Reply DoberFrann @leonidasx666 You could even say that, however what I meant in my post is that even thought there are these sentences, no one put those in context, or give examples. What in the video was pointed out were situations that happened that had a bad cause with a good effect after. Sometime is hard to think that bad things could have a good effect, he shown that this can happen(maybe not all the time), but at least gives an optimistic view. September 9, 2011 Reply majinspy @bluefootedpig W/O a minimum wage there is a race to the bottom. Min wage only raises the wages of the most menial and temporary jobs. The only people who make min wage are people who would be hurt by it falling: the low skilled. The only counter point is more would be employed. I don't think that follows. A company needs a certain number in an area. They are going to have 2 burger flippers. They can't use four for the same reason that 8 people trying to blow up a balloon isn't effective. September 9, 2011 Reply Scott Haselbery @addmoreice good example & precisely my point. Some people only see the negative side of things. September 9, 2011 Reply Judit K @BeondaPale You really expect me to explain that in 500 characters? 😀 wow. If you are serious read for start the wikipedia article on the enlightenment period or any decent history book. If not I really don't have time for this. Just google it and try to understand what you read. You can do the same thing for the post great depression era. Good luck 🙂 September 9, 2011 Reply bluefootedpig @bodnotbod your right, homeless people cannot be exploited. Instead they get to beg for change at the off-ramp for change. I am sure the homeless would rather beg for change than work for low wages building skills that can help them get employed at an actual higher wage job. I am sure the 25% unemployement for teenagers is just something that every grad is looking forward to. You could always look to the EU for min wage, which very few of those countries have min wage laws. September 9, 2011 Reply bluefootedpig @bodnotbod your right, homeless people cannot be exploited. Instead they get to beg for change at the off-ramp for change. I am sure the homeless would rather beg for change than work for low wages building skills that can help them get employed at an actual higher wage job. I am sure the 25% unemployement for teenagers is just something that every grad is looking forward to. You could always look to the EU for min wage, which very few of those countries have min wage laws. September 9, 2011 Reply bluefootedpig @majinspy min wage is a race to the bottom? then why is it for graduates from college don't work for min wage? why not put a min wage on skilled labor? burger flipping isn't a career choice. It is a place to get experience to move up in the world. Are you suggesting that people should work flipping burgers for 40 years? Hell, if anything, it would motivate high schoolers to go to college, or get stuck earning 3 bucks an hour. September 9, 2011 Reply bluefootedpig @addmoreice can you please link a study or web site that highlights that? preferable with citations to censor or some sort of raw data. I would be interested in seeing that, as so far most laws like this, such as roe vs wade, were already on the decline before the law waas passed. It might be something good, but this video was on unintended consequences. So while yes, it might hvae solved spouse abuse, it also caused more single parents. September 9, 2011 Reply bluefootedpig @addmoreice I do advoate that as well. But how do you convince someone who can make a living off flipping burgers that education is the way to go? Most EU countries have no min wage. Flipping burgers is a high schoolers job, and they move on after high school onto more skilled labor. I cannot even fathom that an unskilled job was ever meant to be a life long career. As for race to the bottom, why is it skilled labor isn't a race to the bottom? September 9, 2011 Reply Bishwesh Joshi @BitterBurst Everything has unintended consequences and it is because of this that there is a hope for something to be good even in the darkest of times. I don't think that the few positive aspects of global warming should mean that we just pollute away but what it does mean is that it is a way to perceive global warming as an opportunity to liberate humanity from its dependence on non-renewable sources of energy. September 9, 2011 Reply axelasdf @bodnotbod And what impact would it really have if they were paying taxes on it? Is it really THAT big of a deal? Financially, no. Pick your battles. September 9, 2011 Reply axelasdf @bluefootedpig Take caution in what college you advise them to go to, and what they will actually gain from it. Some educations just aren't worth the price. September 9, 2011 Reply bluefootedpig @axelasdf True, but the point is that there is no min wage for many fields that require a college degree, yet there is no "race to the bottom". Even during a time of mass unemployement for my field (one of the first to be hit), wages only dropped by about 10 an hour, but still was way above min wage. So if min wage is to keep companies from "exploiting" my labor, then why is there no min wage for my sector? maybe because I am paid for my skills, and not what the government forces? September 9, 2011 Reply majinspy @bluefootedpig Because skilled labor are a LOT more sophisticated in their ability to negotiate. There is also a demand for them. Right now there is a glut of low skilled workers. While wages can influence total employment, I don't think its clear how powerful or how far this can be taken. There are low and high limits to employment. For example, a factory might not need more than 500 workers no matter how low prices go, and they might need at least 300 no matter how high (within reason). September 9, 2011 Reply Stuart Silva @JosephOR Thankyou, i appreciate the convienance of your comment September 9, 2011 Reply DurexDurpaneu2 Finally people are learning the value of pain and suffering. We learn from it! And by the looks of it we are heading towards a ww3. If that happens it will be a quick very destructive war, a tragedy beyond anything we've ever seen. But the technology that we have now is waiting to bloom after, beyond our wildest dreams. September 9, 2011 Reply independence4wales @bodnotbod why do you think that business owners want to exploit people? September 10, 2011 Reply independence4wales @bluefootedpig simple demand versus supply. minimum wage requirements is a failure of government to provide an environment that creates enough jobs for the population. ie there are too many regulations taxes etc. September 10, 2011 Reply khatack That dude looks like a space alien. September 10, 2011 Reply Robert Serbe when its cheaper to buy robots than pay minimum wage. this conversation will end . Any minimum wage job is not a job i'll ever do. They are reserved for the handicapped, and teenagers. If you want to change the quality of your life or even have a life worth living you need to work for yourself. You then are really paid what you are worth September 10, 2011 Reply axelasdf @bluefootedpig Right, because your skills have a value above minimum wage and you took it upon yourself to get those skills (Engineering student myself), but for those who haven't developed the skills, where their labor isn't worth minimum wage to an employer, they aren't permitted to work for a lower wage and develop some useful skills. /watch?v=ca8Z__o52sk September 10, 2011 Reply cnmaster01 @BitterBurst and who could have foresaw what global warming? at the time when the bulk of the damage was being done, and weather was tracked with nothing more sophisticated than barometers. Nothing we can do can stop it at this point(though we can and should limit the damage as much as possible). The least we can hope to do is take advantage of the aspects we can. September 11, 2011 Reply cnmaster01 @TemporalOnline I believe they already have a TED Talk by that name lol. September 11, 2011 Reply cnmaster01 @DarkAura971 You believe that urban legend? As plausible as it was that that popularized the term, it certainly didn't start it. September 11, 2011 Reply majinspy @newexperiment My argument is invalid because you're "sure" that a business plan exists if only we could get cheaper labor? You can't invalidate an argument based on sheer assumption. Anyway, there IS a business plan. Lots of them. We see them when businesses go over seas. Is your plan that we should try to compete with China and India for low skill wages? I don't think we are going to come out well from that. September 11, 2011 Reply bluefootedpig @independence4wales I would tend to agree personally. Although I wouldn't say the government's fault, as much as the general attitude of the population. It used to be that each person owned their own business, they did their task, and people bought from the people around them. Now we only "trust" big box stores, and think small business is overpriced. It is silly that I have to pay the government to work for myself. September 12, 2011 Reply bluefootedpig @majinspy Are you suggesting that the labor of an "american" is somehow more valuable than a worker in the 3rd world country? Yes they make very little money, and the rich often buy what is made, but lets realize that they earn that much as that is what the skill is worth. So you are saying that although an american makes 40 bucks a day on min wage, doing the same skill as a 3rd world country person who makes 1 dollar a day. I can only assume you think Americans are somehow better. September 12, 2011 Reply Yogimeister Lets not forget about multi-use chopsticks versus "disposable" chopstick … and I wouldn't say "Tragedies" … but "Necessity is the Mother of all inventions" … – Zappa … 🙂 The way to close the gap is "accepting the different" .. and I think that during "the great depression" people had more time on their hands ?. IMHO September 12, 2011 Reply majinspy @bluefootedpig Now I like you 🙂 you're consistent. You realize exactly what republicans mean when they say we are uncompetitive because of govt. interference. Republicans do believe in more jobs…they just don't pay worth a damn. I assume you are one of the educated elites who won't suffer such a fate? September 12, 2011 Reply bluefootedpig @majinspy Yup, I am lucky enough to have valued education. Although to continue on a bit more, I would suggest that people who are facing mass unemployement, we should do what we did last time, with Kennedy. We offered massive government scholarships to state universities for specific training, in Kennedy's case it was to train for NASA. I personally would like to see some of these unemployeed retrained for say, renewable energy. I am much more for job creation via education. September 12, 2011 Reply majinspy @bluefootedpig I agree wholeheartedly. In all honestly, I see the writing on the wall. I have an education (and more importantly, I'm actually smart) so I'm doing pretty well right now. Republicans would probably be against some type of retraining program and a lot of blue collar people would probably resent it anyway. I honestly think a lot of them just don't want to work on "fu fu" stuff like solar panels and wind mills. They want to make steel and cars (rawr!).Even so, we can't all be elites. September 13, 2011 Reply independence4wales @bluefootedpig you have to ask why people think small business is expensive and if that is actually the case, again it goes back to the big companies having the economies of scale to deal with all the red tape put in by the government. if there is a problem with the country, blame the government, you will be right 99% of the time September 13, 2011 Reply eluap Those headset thingies sure make you look as though you have jowls…oh, wait a minute; you DO have jowls! September 13, 2011 Reply Christopher Urbalejo @JosephOR whats wrong with the intro? September 15, 2011 Reply Ocker3 What?? Unintended consequences of adding extra lifeboats? Too much weight above the centre of gravity makes a boat unstable, basic physics! That's not unintended consequences, that's shoddy design! September 19, 2011 Reply Judit K @sokseb Wrong as in the entire socio-economic dynamics of 7 centuries can be explained in 500 characters? Or wrong as in you can go and read a book about it or type in a few words in Google? Akak you can't do either of those. Or as in "I'm a lazy troll and have nothing better to do than write shit comments on youtube videos"? And you, obviously female gender-ed person who's name is a typical Slavic male first name, are right. Makes perfect sense. Oh wait it's not reverse day. September 28, 2011 Reply Cannibalzz I fell asleep watching this… this guy needs someone more energetic to give his speeches. October 1, 2011 Reply essellar @Ocker3 The unintended consequence was of the regulation that required the lifeboats to be fitted — the well-intended people who created that regulation failed to take into account its effect on the stability of hulls that were designed and built before the regulation came into force. December 11, 2011 Reply publicanimal I can't watch this… he speaks too slowly and his content is not very interesting. I hope that I could do a better job. February 13, 2013 Reply Newswire4 Great talk, would love to write an article about you, Chaos Happens, lets make the best of it. One of the best TED speeches I have ever seen. April 6, 2014 Reply Kyra Gaunt Ph.D. 16:00 gap between capabilities and foresight. April 13, 2016 Reply Kyra Gaunt Ph.D. 14:30 learn from unintended consequences April 13, 2016 Reply Bruce Littler Make better use of chaos. Fortunate outcomes come from seemingly unfortunate circumstances July 25, 2016 Reply Add a Comment Cancel reply Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.