Dennis Rodman On Human Rights In North Korea, Friendship With Kim Jong Un | Megyn Kelly TODAY


[ APPLAUSE ]>>>WE’RE BACK, NOW, WITH DENNIS RODMAN, WHO HAS BEEN IN THE HEADLINES AFTER THE SUMMIT WITH PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AND KIM JONG-UN. HE’S BEEN PUSHING WITH A MEETING LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN FOR YEARS. SOME THOUGHT HE WAS CRAZY. BUT NOW, THINGS ARE LOOKING VERY DIFFERENT. YOU MADE CLEAR THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA — YOU TRIED TO REACH OUT TO HIM AND HE WAS LIKE, TALK TO THE HAND. YOU’VE BEEN PUSHING FOR A BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH NORTH KOREA ALL THESE YEARS. HOW DOES IT HAPPEN? HOW DOES IT HAPPEN THAT YOU GO FROM BEING ARRESTED 70 TIMES IN YOUR LIFE TO INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMAT?>>I HAVE NO CLUE. I HAVE NO CLUE. OF ALL PEOPLE, ALL PEOPLE, THIS GUY. YOU KNOW, IT’S VERY, VERY — I’M VERY FORTUNATE, THE FACT THAT I’M IN THAT POSITION TO DO THAT. PEOPLE DIDN’T TAKE ME SERIOUSLY IN THE BEGINNING. I DIDN’T GO OVER THERE TO CURATE THIS WHOLE BOND WITH NORTH KOREA, YOU KNOW, FOR MY OWN PERSONAL BENEFITS. I WENT OVER THERE BECAUSE I WANTED TO CONNECT NORTH KOREA WITH SPORTS IN AMERICA. THAT WAS MY WHOLE PURPOSE. WHEN I WENT OVER THERE TO BRING THE GAME OVER TO NORTH KOREA, AND, WHEN I SUNG THE BIRTHDAY SONG TO HIM, PEOPLE LOOKED AT ME LIKE I WAS CRAZY.>>PEOPLE CALLED YOU A TRAITOR.>>PEOPLE CALLED ME A TRAITOR. I MADE SOME COMMENTS WHEN I CAME BACK. THAT WAS INSANE.>>LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT. PEOPLE LIVE THEIR LIVES OVER HERE AND DON’T NECESSARILY PAY THAT MUCH ATTENTION TO WHAT KIM JONG-UN HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF. HERE’S A FEW HIGHLIGHTS. ACCORDING TO THE INSTITUTE FOR NATIONAL SECURITY STRATEGY, IN HIS FIRST SIX YEARS AS LEADER, HE ORDERED THE EXECUTIONS OF 340 PEOPLE. IN 2016, KIM JONG GIN WAS KILLED IN FRONT OF A FIRING SQUAD, AFTER SHOWING DISRESPECTFUL POSTURE IN A MEETING. A GENERAL FELL ASLEEP IN A MEETING. HE WAS EXECUTED WITH AN ANTI-AIRCRAFT GUN. KIM JONG-UN’S ESTRANGED BROTHER WAS KILLED BY CHEMICAL WEAPONS. THEY SAY KIM JONG-UN IS GUILTY OF EXTERMINATION, MURDER, FORCED ABORTIONS, KNOWINGLY CAUSING PROLONGED STARVATION, AND SO ON, ALL ACCORDING TO A U.N. REPORT ON NORTH KOREA. FOR CONTEXT, THAT’S A GUY YOU’RE CALLING A GREAT GUY.>>ARE YOU DONE? ARE YOU DONE?>>HOW DOES THAT SIT WITH YOU, DENNIS? HOW DOES THAT SIT WITH YOU?>>I WAS BLIND WHEN I WENT OVER THE FIRST TIME. I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THAT. AND UNTIL THIS DAY, I STILL DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.>>YOU KNOW BECAUSE I JUST TOLD YOU. YOU KNEW BEFORE YOU WENT OVER THERE.>>I’M TRYING TO CONVEY TO PEOPLE THAT THAT WASN’T MY JOB TO FIGURE OUT ALL THAT. THAT WASN’T MY JOB. MY JOB IS TO TRY TO BRING SPORTS AND OPEN THE COMMUNICATION.>>YOU CALL HIM A GREAT GUY.>>TO ME. I DIDN’T SAY TO THE WORLD.>>HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT SAYING, HITLER HAS BEEN NICE TO ME.>>YOU’RE NOT GOING TO BACK ME INTO A CORNER. I’VE DONE THAT. I’VE TOOK MY LUMPS. I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THEM ANYMORE. I’M NOT SAYING THIS IS A GREAT GUY. HE WAS GOOD TO ME. ESPECIALLY THE FACT, ALL THE THINGS YOU SAID RIGHT THERE, I HAVE NO CLUE. I NEVER SEEN THAT. NO ONE’S EVER SEEN IT ON TV. IT’S ALL HEARSAY.>>WE SAW THE BROTHER GET ATTACKED. DO YOU NOT BELIEVE THOSE THINGS?>>I HAVE NO CLUE.>>YOU HAVE A CLUE. YOU DON’T BELIEVE THE UNITED NATIONS? YOU DON’T BELIEVE THE NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE SERVICE, WHO GAVE US THE FIRST REPORT?>>YOU KNOW WHAT I BELIEVE IN? WHO IN THEIR RIGHT DAMN MIND WOULD IMAGINE — PAY ATTENTION — IMAGINE IN SINGAPORE, THEY WOULD BE SHAKING HANDS. AND HE DID ALL THAT. WHO IN THE HELL WOULD IMAGINE THAT? YOU TELL ME THAT. EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. WHO WOULD HAVE IMAGINED HIM, DONALD TRUMP SAID ONE THING. THIS IS WHAT HE SAID, BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENED HE SAID, YOU KNOW HOW HE TALKS. YOU CAN TELL IN FIVE SECONDS THE FACT THAT IF YOU LIKE A PERSON. AND HE’S, I’M GOING TO TELL IN ONE MINUTE IF I LIKE HIM OR NOT. REMEMBER WHEN HE SAID THAT? IT TOOK HIM SIX HOURS TO FIGURE THAT OUT. AND THEY COME BACK AND SAID, THIS GUY IS GOING TO GET ALONG VERY WELL.>>OH, BOY.>>HE SAID IT. THAT’S THE SAME THING I’M SAYING. OUR PRESIDENT BELIEVES HE WAS SAYING THIS IN THE ’90s ABOUT NORTH KOREA. HE SAID, WHY ARE WE DOING CERTAIN THINGS IN THE ’90s. HE’S COMING BACK AND SAYING, GUESS WHAT? HE’S GOING TO GIVE AN EFFORT TO SEE IF THIS IS REAL.>>YOUR POINT IS, WE WANT TO AVOID NUCLEAR WAR WITH THIS COUNTRY.>>ABSOLUTELY.>>IT MAY REQUIRE US TO OVERLOOK CERTAIN HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES. THAT’S THE ARGUMENT THAT PEOPLE >>>WE’RE BACK, NOW, WITH DENNIS RODMAN. I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE SUMMIT THAT HAPPENED. DID YOU HAVE ANY ROLE IN SETTING THAT UP?>>NOT REALLY.>>NOT ON EITHER END?>>NOT REALLY. IT JUST HAPPENED.>>DID YOU SPEAK WITH THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE AT ALL PRIOR TO IT?>>NO.>>DID YOU SPEAK WITH THEM AFTER?>>I DIDN’T SPEAK TO ANYBODY.>>DID YOU SPEAK TO KIM JONG-UN ABOUT IT?>>NOTHING. I HEARD THE SUMMIT WAS ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN SINGAPORE, MY SPONSOR SAID, DENNIS, DO YOU WANT TO GO? AND I SAID, YEP, I WANT TO GO. HE BOOKED A TICKET. BUT IT’S FUNNY ABOUT POPCORN, WHEN TRUMP SAID THE SUMMIT WAS OFF. MY SPONSOR AND KIND OF, THEY OFFERED TO PAY FOR KIM JONG-UN, HIS WHOLE REGIME, TO GO TO SINGAPORE. THEY OFFERED, TO PAY THE WHOLE THING. PRIVATE PLANES, EVERYTHING.>>HE HAS ENOUGH MONEY TO FUND THAT TRIP HIMSELF, DOES HE NOT?>>IT WASN’T ABOUT THAT?>>OKAY. THE SUMMIT HAPPENS, YOU GO TO SINGAPORE BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO BE THERE.>>I WANTED TO BE THERE.>>IS IT TRUE THAT SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS CALLED YOU AFTER THE SUMMIT TOOK PLACE?>>ROLL THE TAPE.>>HE FILMED IT.>>I FILMED IT. IT WAS MORE LIKE, WOW. I JUST WANTED TO SEE IT BECAUSE BECAUSE –>>WERE YOU SURPRISED TO HEAR FROM HER?>>I THOUGHT SHE WAS GOING TO TELL ME, DENNIS, LEAVE.>>LEAVE SINGAPORE?>>YEAH.>>DID YOU KNOW WHO SHE WAS?>>I DIDN’T KNOW WHO SHE WAS BECAUSE I KEPT CALLING HER HONEY. OKAY, HONEY, WHAT’S UP?>>SHE SAID THE PRESIDENT WAS GRATEFUL?>>VERY GRATEFUL.>>HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH ANYONE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE SINCE THEN?>>PRETTY SURE I WOULD BE.>>THINK YOU’RE GOING TO THE WHITE HOUSE?>>I SHOULD. I’VE BEEN THERE FIVE TIMES.>>DO YOU HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THEY’RE GOING TO INVITE YOU?>>I HOPE. >>YOU HOPE. HOW ABOUT KIM JONG-UN? HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO HIM AFTER THE SUMMIT?>>I WILL BE GOING BACK. I WILL BE SEEING HIM.>>DID THEY CALL YOU AT ALL?>>WE SPOKE TO PEOPLE IN NEW YORK. SOME OF THE DIPLOMATS THERE ARE GRACIOUS, THE FACT THAT I’M STAYING HUMBLE. THEY’RE PLEASED THAT I AM TRUE TO MY WORD THAT THEY WOULDN’T BASH THEM OR SHOW DISLIKE OF WHAT THE COUNTRY’S ABOUT. I FIGURE, YOU KNOW, IN GOOD FAITH TO THEM. THEY SHOWED ME GOOD FAITH.>>WHEN YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO KIM JONG-UN, DO YOU TEXT HIM? DO YOU HAVE HIS CELL PHONE NUMBER? HOW DO YOU CONTACT HIM?>>WELL, YOU KNOW. WE GO THROUGH THE NEW YORK OFFICE HERE. THEN, THEY ASK FOR US.>>HE HAS PEOPLE.>>HE IS TIGHT WITH YOU, HE MADE YOU A PROMISE AT ONE POINT. WHAT WAS IT?>>HE FELT SO, SO LOVED, THE FACT THAT I GAVE HIM THAT BASKETBALL GAME. AND HE SAID, NO ONE HAS DONE THIS FOR MY COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY OUT OF THEIR HEART. THEY WANTED SOMETHING FROM US. FOR YOU, I PROMISE YOU ONE THING. NO MATTER WHERE YOU’RE AT IN THE WORLD, NO MATTER WHERE YOU’RE AT, WE LOVE YOU. WE’LL MAKE SURE YOU’RE OKAY. AND HE –>>YOU THINK THAT’S SWEET? I FEEL LIKE THAT’S A THREAT TO EXEMPT YOU HAVE NUCLEAR WAR? I’M GOING TO BLOW YOUR COUNTRY THE TO SMITHEREENS BUT YOU STAY IN NEW JERSEY?>>NO. IT’S FUNNELNY, THE FACT, THAT WHEN THEY SAID THAT NORTH KOREA SHOT A MISSILE OVER GUAM, AND FOR SOME REASON, THE PEOPLE IN GUAM CALLED MY OFFICE AND SAID, CAN DENNIS COME TO GUAM?>>OH, MY GOD. COME ON.>>THIS IS A TRUE STORY. MY GUYS WILL TELL YOU THAT. I SAID, OKAY. WE FLEW TO GUAM. WHEN I GOT OFF THE PLANE, THEY’RE LIKE, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE’RE SAFE. WAIT A MINUTE. HOLD ON. IT’S LIKE, WHOA.>>WE GOT [ APPLAUSE ]>>>WE’VE BEEN SPEAKING WITH DENNIS RODMAN FOR NEARLY THE ENTIRE SHOW, ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH NORTH KOREAN LEADER KIM JONG-UN. CAN I ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES.>>ONE MORE?>>I THINK OF OTTO WARMBIER’S FAMILY AND WHAT HAPPENED OVER THERE. HE PULLED DOWN A POSTER AND WAS SENTENCED TO DEATH, PRETTY MUCH. CAN’T YOU SAY THESE THINGS HAVE HAPPENED, CAN YOU MAKE THEM STOP? IF YOU JUST INHERITED THIS REGI REGIME, CAN’T YOU DO BETTER?>>THAT’S NOT MY JOB TITLE. IF I WENT THAT DIRECTION, HE WOULD LOSE FAITH IN ME, AS FAR AS BEING A FRIEND.>>YOU KEEP IT SOCIAL.>>I TRY TO KEEP IT SOCIAL LIKE THAT. THOSE THINGS ARE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE, FOR PEOPLE THAT’S EXPERTS AT THAT. I CAN’T GO AND BE A DIPLOMAT. I CAN BE ALL THESE THINGS.>>YOU’RE IN ANOTHER LANE. I WONDER HOW LIFE HAS CHANGED FOR YOU. SINCE THE SUMMIT.>>IT CHANGED A LOT.>>AND I THINK ABOUT, DENNIS, YOU NOT HAVING YOUR DAD.>>OH, YEAH. WHAT ABOUT IT?>>WHAT DO YOU THINK HE WOULD THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU’VE DONE AND WHO YOU ARE TODAY?>>WHAT DOES HE THINK ABOUT IT? HE HAS 29 KIDS, 17 WIVES. YOU HAVE YOUR PHONES OUT THERE, RIGHT? HIS NAME IS PHILANDER RODMAN. LOOK IT UP.>>YOU DON’T CARE WHAT YOUR DAD THINKS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER?>>I DON’T HATE THE GUY.>>HOW DO YOU FEEL? YOUR KIDS MUST LOOK AT YOU AND SAY, WOW.>>THEY LOOK AT ME WITH — >>WE’RE GOING TO BLEEP THAT, TOO.>>BLEEP THAT. THEY’RE SCHOOLKIDS. MY DAUGHTER IS 17. SHE’S TRYING FOR THE WORLD CUP THIS SUMMER.>>WHAT ARE YOU DOING?>>I DO A LOT OF STUFF. NICK’S SHOW, SYLVESTER STALLONE. I GOT PARTNERED UP WITH A COMPANY CALLED ANYTICKETS.COM.>>WHAT’S IN THE BAG?>>WHAT’S IN THE BAG?>>YEAH. WE HAVE TO GO. THIS IS THE MOMENT OF TRUTH.>>FIRST-EVER BALL OF ME, KIM JONG-UN AND DONALD TRUMP.>>NO WAY.>>NO WAY.>>OMG.

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